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Is this template supposed to be used in running text (where {{term}} is used) or only in list sections? Should it allow specification of a transliteration and an alternate form? Rod (A. Smith) 21:35, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

{{term}} unfortunatelly italicizes it's parameter so it's not usable for the purpose this template is intended: language indices, Swadesh lists, list of descendats etc. - especially in situations when many of listed different-language terms share the same lemma. It makes no sense to add transliterations/alterante forms in these scenarios. I simply grew sick of wrting [[xxx#language|xxx]] all the time, so I (actually Dmcdevit after my whining on IRC) created this, both to reduce typing and minimize page size for long lists. If some other template provides this basic functionality, I'll be happy to use it instead. --Ivan Štambuk 21:53, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Ah. I see. I didn't know that this template is just for listed terms. I'm surprised, though, that transliterations are not desired. I was under the impression that transliterations are to be used pretty much everywhere we show a non-Latin script term. It may make sense to merge together this template and {{onym}}. This seems like a good opportunity to collaborate about the appropriate scope, the best name, and the best set of parameters for such a template. Rod (A. Smith) 22:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
See WT:GP#Template:onym and Template:l. Rod (A. Smith) 07:54, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Note: This discussion was archived at Wiktionary:Grease_pit_archive/2007/October#Template:onym_and_Template:l. --EncycloPetey 23:51, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Should this template be used when linking the individual words of an (idiomatic) phrase, as in {{infl|xx|phrase|head=...}}?

It’s useful for this as one does not want to italicize the words – is this an “approved use”?

E.g., current version of de gustibus non est disputandum has as head:

{{infl|la|phrase|head={{l|la|de}} {{l|la|gustibus}} {{l|la|non}} {{l|la|est}} {{l|la|disputandum}}}}

…which generates correctly formatted links

I’ll mention it above, but wanted to discuss it.

Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 14:14, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I've been using it for that purpose for a very long time.. It might be worth mentioning, either here or on the documentation page for {infl}. --Ivan Štambuk 13:02, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
I've just been doing e.g.
{{infl|la|phrase|head=[[de#Latin|de]] [[gustibus]] [[non#Latin|non]] [[est#Latin|est]] [[disputandum]]}}
(i.e. "manually" linking). Personally, I've only been using {{onym}} (which is like {{l}}) when I need sc= and tr=; it seems pointless otherwise. Since sc= and tr= are handled by {{infl}}, I never use {{onym}} there. (In part this is because of the name “onym”, which suggests a specific class of purposes.)
RuakhTALK 14:59, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Why is there extra spacing afterwards? It adds an unwanted space before punctuation: che, que. —Stephen 20:32, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Oops! I accidentally introduced that when I added the (still undocumented) gloss parameter (e.g. che (“what”)), for use in indices, see also lists, etc. It's fixed now, right? Rod (A. Smith) 02:42, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Looks good. Thanks. —Stephen 14:10, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Some while ago Cirwin added a "tr" parameter to specify a transliteration as used in the "infl" and "term" templates. I have now also added the "g" parameter to specify a gender. Only the usual "m", "f", "n", and "c" values should be used - this is not checked by the template code. — hippietrail 06:28, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

This template gives clickable links on the page it links to; see e.g. vår and the template used under "see also". --Harald Khan Ճ 08:01, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Would there be any problem with changing this line:


to this:


in order to allow linking to specific definitions with {{senseid}} using the id= parameter? (ex. {{l|en|peach|id=fruit}} would link here.) --Yair rand (talk) 22:15, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't see why not, as this is exactly the kind of thing it was meant for. —CodeCat 22:53, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Well, {{senseid}} doesn't really seem to be in use yet — see [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:senseid]] — and discussion at [[Template talk:senseid]] seems to have petered off without deciding whether the fragment should be #English-fruit or #en-fruit. So I'm not sure it's a good idea to modify {{l}} yet to support the specific way that {{senseid}} currently happens to work. But if {{senseid}} does come into use, and retains its current form, then definitely, that edit looks perfect. (Please correct me if my assumptions are wrong. Aside from WT:RFV, I think it's been more than a year since I've followed any discussion page really thoroughly, so I may well have missed something.) —RuakhTALK 23:06, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
{{senseid}} really can't be used until there's a template that can link to it. If the way senseid works is changed, couldn't {{l}} just be switched to work with the new format? --Yair rand (talk) 23:14, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
O.K., I see. But in that case, you're not really proposing that {{l}} be changed to support {{senseid}}; you're proposing that {{senseid}} be used, and that {{l}} be changed to support it. Right? Then, that doesn't seem like something that should be proposed at [[Template talk:l]], so much as something that should be proposed at [[Wiktionary:Beer parlour]] or something. (Maybe even voted on, since the idea seems to be that all entries would use it.)
You're right that if {{senseid}} changes to #en-fruit, specifically, then {{l}} can just be changed to match that. I guess my issue there is that it seems a bit premature to change {{l}}, which is a very widely transcluded template (used on about 5% of pages, I think), to support a template that's not really "settled" yet. (It also seems that id= is a very prominent parameter to reserve this way; if we're going to use {{senseid}} widely, then that makes sense to do, but if we're not, then it might not. And right now, it's not obvious to me that we are.)
RuakhTALK 00:55, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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