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Again, welcome! —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 01:40, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

I, for one, would like to thank you for great work you're doing adding the intermediary PIA forms and missing PII reconstructions. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask! --Victar (talk) 16:02, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
Wow, a great improvement! Maybe we should work harder as well! Perhaps the Rigveda itself is Proto-Indo-Aryan! --Kwékwlos 17:50, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
The Wiktionary Project is a team effort, so having a way to communicate with contributors is essential. Rigveda is OIA, which includes all the Sanskrit dialects. PIA includes includes both OIA and Mitanni. Although the line between PIA and OIA is rather blurry, as Mitanni is scantily attested (we mostly only know about the retention of diphthongs), at the very least we can include archaisms found in MIA that we don't see in Sanskrit, i.e. no kṣ-merger. --Victar (talk) 18:53, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Null value in {{desc}}[edit]

If an entry can be reconstructed, please do not null out {{desc}}, as you did here. Best to simply leave it blank if you cannot yourself. Thanks. --Victar (talk) 17:11, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Kwékwlos, Proto-Anatolian is reconstructible using Hittie an Lydian, so please don't null it out in {{desc}} as you did here. --Victar (talk) 16:38, 27 July 2018 (UTC)


Please do not remove hyphens showing morphological boundaries, ex. diff, diff. --Victar (talk) 21:35, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Hindi etymologies[edit]

Please don't change {{inh|hi|sa}} to {{der|hi|sa}}. For convenience we take Sanskrit to be all Old Indo-Aryan, so Hindi is in our system a direct descendant of Sanskrit (even though in actuality it may be descended from a particular OIA dialect that is not attested). —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 22:48, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Earlier forms[edit]

Hey Kwékwlos, please don't reference earlier forms when the later form is a predictable outcome, like the loss of laryngeals before (Lubotsky's law). We only do that for random outcomes, like a metathesis. Thanks. --Victar (talk) 00:59, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

The accent shift in PIA on i/u-steams is also predictable. Please don't reference earlier forms for that either. Thanks. --Victar (talk) 05:42, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

{{inh}} vs. {{der}}[edit]

Hey Kwékwlos, {{inh}} should only be used when they are directly inherited (see template usage notes). So Proto-Italic *wenos is derived from PIE *wenh₁-, not inherited. --Victar (talk) 05:27, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

If you skip morphological steps in a etymology, it's correct to use "ultimately from". Please don't delete those. Thanks! --Victar (talk) 18:45, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Language codes[edit]

Please stop changing language codes on entries. If someone used a particular language code in an etymology or descendants tree, there is probably a reason and you should ask them for going around changing them. Thanks. --Victar (talk) 13:48, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

"Borrowed from {{bor|hi|xx}}"[edit]

The prevailing standard is just "From {{bor|hi|xx}}." Not sure about other languages but that's what I've always done for Hindi. My reasoning is that it automatically categorizes into a borrowing category so the "Borrowing/Borrowed from" is redundant. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 01:43, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

@AryamanA, typing in "Borrowed from" is pretty standard for most languages. I much prefer it because it's useful information that is otherwise lost -- most people aren't going to look at the categories to find that out. --Victar (talk) 03:18, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
@Victar, right, it does provide an emphasis for distinguishing borrowed words from derived words instead of just scrolling to the bottom for the category. --Kwékwlos 10:12, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
@Victar: And that is what the template used to have automatically before the text was removed. I agree in principle, but I make a lot of Hindi entries and want to save time typing. But I'll use "Borrowed from" from now on if you insist. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 14:54, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
@AryamanA, I agree that typing in "Borrowed from" every time is a pain, but if you recall, I didn't vote for its removal! =P --Victar (talk) 14:58, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Grassmann's law[edit]

Grassmann's law only applied to PIA, and not PII. --Victar (talk) 16:08, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

@Victar, How do you prove that it applies to PIA and not PII? Ancient Greek already has it. And also, forms like PII *ĵʰuĵʰáwti would yield PIA *źuźʰáwti (Sanskrit जुहोति (juhóti)), which looks strange as PIA occurs only with aspiration or in clusters. So I do see Grassmann's law as necessary in PII. --Kwékwlos 16:13, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
It's widely accepted that the Grassmann's law that applies to Greek is separate innovation from the one that is found in Sanskrit. One example of how we know it didn't apply to PII is because we find *x- for *kʰ-Cʰ in PIr. --Victar (talk) 16:26, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Deleting pages instead of moving them[edit]

DO NOT delete pages instead of moving them. I warned you before about this. Please do not do it again. --Victar (talk) 16:29, 19 July 2018 (UTC)


Can you please add sources to your *duHrás entry? Thanks. --Victar (talk) 01:52, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Kwékwlos, please address this entry and the other entries you created. All proto entries should be sourced, otherwise they may be nominated for deletion. --Victar (talk) 15:43, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Derived terms[edit]

Terms in the Derived terms list should be clickable links. --Victar (talk) 15:57, 24 July 2018 (UTC)


You're making quite a few mistakes with your Proto-Anatolian reconstructions. Please do some more research before continuing. --Victar (talk) 08:51, 29 July 2018 (UTC)


RUKI was not triggered by laryngeals. Instead, it was an active rule that lasted well into the development of PII languages after the loss of laryngeals. You could argue that "syllabic laryngeals" triggered RUKI as well, but that's not currently how we reconstruct PII as we do not reconstruct syllabic laryngeals. Thanks. --Victar (talk) 17:11, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Forgive me, but the reflexes show (š/ṣ), so I thought that the reconstruction needed an . I do note that Nuristani keeps the *s instead of Indic and Iranian. Sorry if I had to disappoint you; it was my mistake, but please, in the descendants section, use desc instead of cog. Thanks. --Kwékwlos 17:16, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
LOL, yes, I will use {{desc}}, the template I helped create, instead of {{cog}}. --Victar (talk) 17:50, 24 August 2018 (UTC)