User talk:K175

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Again, welcome! ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 08:56, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Native language[edit]

Hi, I was curious whether your native language is Afrikaans. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 08:20, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Lingo Bingo Dingo Yes it is. Why do you ask? K175 (talk) 08:21, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
I have a question about Afrikaans kikvors. Does it refer to both frogs and toads, like padda, or only to frogs? ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 08:26, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
According to my Handwoordeboek van die Afrikaanse Taal, 6de uitgawe (2015; "HAT") kikvors is a synonym for padda, which implies (though not according to the HAT itself) that it referes to both frogs and toads. However, my Afrikaans-English school dictionary from 1944 translates kikvors as frog and my Afrikaans-German dictionary from 1969 translates it as Frosch ("frog"). K175 (talk) 08:37, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
Interestingly, according to the HAT, padda specifically refers to the family Ranidae, so only true frogs and not toads. However, my Afrikaans-English dictionary translates toad as padda and my Afrikaans-German dictionary has no entry for Kröte but it translates Unke as (brul)padda. K175 (talk) 08:42, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
Okay, so it seems it is somewhat unclear whether kikvors can also denote frogs toads? I think that is best dealt with in a usage note. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 08:46, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
I think the lack of clarity relates to whether it can denote toads (if that's what you meant), yes, to me at least this is unclear. K175 (talk) 08:48, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
Yes, "frogs" in the previous message was an error. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 08:55, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
@Lingo Bingo Dingo Please see [1]. User:Burgert_Behr is a linguist. I now include the entries from the HAT for padda and skurwepadda:
pad·da s.nw [~s; ~tjie] (soöl.) enige van verskeie stertlose amfibieë van die familie Ranidae, met 'n kort lyfie, gladde, klam vel, gewebde pote, en lang agterbene gemaak vir spring: Die paddas ploeps in die poel in sodra 'n mens naderkom.
skur·we·pad·da s.nw [~s; ~tjie] landpadda van die familie Bufonidae met fyn, helder strepies en vlekke op die rug, wat slegs gedurende eierlêtyd die water opsoek, en uit 'n groot parotisklier agter die oë 'n brandende wit vog afskei wanneer dit bedreig word.
My Afrikaans-English and Afrikaans-German dictionaries do not contain entries for skurwepadda. CC User:Suidpunt. K175 (talk) 07:35, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for all your work! Skurwepadda is attestable (google books:"skurwepadda") according to the criteria of the English Wiktionary, so I put it in the translation table of toad and in the list at padda for now. Parenthetically, the claim that Dutch doesn't have a word for "toad" is not correct, pad (etymology 2, plural padden) has this meaning. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 08:19, 15 January 2020 (UTC)